Waiting for SliTaz

4 02 2009

In the comments to my post on the best lightweight GNU/Linux distros, someone pointed out that I had overlooked SliTaz, the smallest desktop distro out there, at a mere 25 MB download. Astounded that the beta version came with Firefox 3, a feat none of the distros I recommended managed to do, I figured I’d give it a try. I was instantly infatuated with it, but, like many a burning passion, the love did not last long. Here are the reasons why I have ultimately removed it from my recommendations.

SliTaz's "Cooking" (beta) edition looks great and is substantially improved, but if I can't log into my USB installation or install Flash, it's not ready to be an everyday system for even my minimalistic needs.

  1. Not as Well Reviewed: If a distro did not get overall exceptionally positive reviews, then I cannot recommend it to others. Although SliTaz’s reviews are overall excellent, the review on Linux.com points out a number of challenges with the distro and ultimately recommends it as a “rescue CD” distro or a barebones distro upon which more experience users can build their own systems. Distros with similarly moderate reviews include NimbleX and Slax, which I did not recommend.
  2. Wireless & Flash Challenges: Unlike other distros, SliTaz actually made it onto my drive so I could try it out personally, and I have to admit that the issues outlined in the review were issues for me (or my brother) as well. Like the reviewer, my brother had to fiddle with SliTaz to get the wireless recognized, and, also like the reviewer, I could not get Flash installed. Therefore, I can’t really see making an “exception” for SliTaz and recommending it despite the lukewarm review elsewhere.
  3. Stable Release Not Better than Puppy: Puppy Linux is amazing because it is so much smaller than other distros but still retains a tremendous amount of applications and functionality. SliTaz is smaller than Puppy, but does so by chopping out useful applications without necessarily adding anything. It still uses the barebones JWM as the window manager. I’ll admit I like SliTaz’s file manager emelFM2 better than Puppy’s Rox, but that’s just a few clicks away in Puppy if I really want it. My trouble installing Flash, which comes pre-loaded on Puppy, make me wonder what other programs SliTaz doesn’t include that I’ll ultimately want but won’t be able to install.
  4. Beta Release Better, but…: The “Cooking” version of SliTaz does offer some substantial improvements, but my previous post was looking only at final, stable releases, excluding betas like wattOS. Again, I considered making an exception for SliTaz because I really liked what I saw, but I quickly found out why it was smart to exclude betas in the first place. I found my system dragging in a number of programs, SliTaz apparently stuck in the ’90s when multitasking was still far in the future on my trusty Mac OS. I also found that I was unable to log in after I installed SliTaz to a USB drive, a problem others apparently have as well.

Don’t get me wrong. I was amazed by what SliTaz could do with so little, and I honeslty don’t have much use for anything beyond a modern browser, basic system utilities, and a good-looking desktop environment. SliTaz “Cooking” delivers all of that, but it’s undermined by enough problems that it renders these basics unusable on a daily basis. For now, I’m sticking with my previous post’s recommendation of Puppy Linux as my main system, but I’ll be anxiously awaiting the final release of SliTaz’s next version.


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4 02 2009
Best-Reviewed Lightweight GNU/Linux Distros « The Dead Dog Cafe 2.2

[...] removed SliTaz from this post.  After reading the comments below, I became infatuated with it, but it ultimately did not work for me.  I now have installed the BoxPup version of Puppy Linux on my USB drive.  It’s been easy [...]

5 02 2009
David Smith

Well, there are always going to be tradeoffs… there is an even smaller distro (<5 MB!), with a kernel written in assembler language (apparently — I am not a programmer) that boots in 2-seconds. It only has drivers for 4 kinds of network cards, none of which are emulated in VirtualBox. And if you dig in much past the desktop (yes, it has a full graphical, x-vesa desktop!), you start hitting dialogs in Russian, which I unfortunately don’t speak.

What I find fascinating about these ultra-light distros is not what they can’t do (as compared to bigger and better-supported counterparts), but what they can do with amazingly little resources.

I don’t think SliTaz was ever intended to be a replacement for the full-blown linux distros that come with kitchen sink and all, but is a private project the developers have graciously shared with the public. It has a lot of interesting, sometimes frustrating idiosyncracies that reflect the developers’ penchant for pursuing their own priorities, rather than attempt to compete with other distros.

They do seem to be helpful on their forum, but that doesn’t mean they will drop everything and fix some problem you may have with it.

By the way, do NOT attempt to upgrade an installed SliTaz cooking version…

5 02 2009
mulrah

Mr. Smith, I couldn’t agree more. The gist of the review at Linux.com was certainly amazement at how much was packed into such a small package, and I concur. My own personal goal has been to see how small a distro I could use as an everyday system, and SliTaz hasn’t worked out for that, regardless of the developers’ intentions. It would have been so sweet though–from the instant it started up, I really was blown away.

10 02 2009
David Smith

Hi again…

Not to beat a dead horse, but what exactly was your “trouble installing Flash”?

“tazpkg get-install get-flash-plugin” in a terminal did it for me. No muss, no fuss. SliTaz also has Abiword, which I consider the functional equivalent of OpenOffice.org writer (it even reads & writes MS Word docs), but without the bloat. So in some respects I don’t think your review quite gives it a fair shake.

Incidentally SliTaz is not my everyday distro of choice either. I don’t have one. I actually have 13 distros spread across 3 pcs (including 3 versions of Windows); 8 of them on my main box. Well, 2 more if you count an old mac that I rarely even boot up.

I run slitaz cooking on an old k6-2 — it’s the only linux distro that can keep up with Windows 98 and 2000 on the same hardware (I also have zenwalk on it, but it’s pretty slow, almost unusable). The other small distros you reviewed won’t even install to it, some problem with squashfs.

10 02 2009
mulrah

It’s good to hear you got Flash installed. The point of my posts were mostly to reflect the current landscape of reviews, and the writer of most in-depth review of SliTaz could not install Flash himself. I tried installing Flash 9 and 10 using the package manager and the command line. It would install on the computer, but Firefox would crash instantly when I went to a Flash-enabled page. My brother, who is much more savvy with Linux than I am, also could not get Flash to work. That’s three out of four people who have failed to effectively install Flash on SliTaz; I can’t recommend that as a “full-featured” distro, even/especially for someone who leans on online apps.

Puppy has been working perfectly for about a week now, and for months for my brother.

11 02 2009
David Smith

Hi,

You were right: Flash 10 installed through SliTaz-cooking package manager is broken (it may be on the regular SliTaz as well, by some accounts).

I hadn’t realized it wasn’t even installed on my SliTaz (a test VirtualBox installation, that is), but I had just downloaded the installer and needed to run the “get-flash-plugin” command in the terminal to complete. When I did and tried to visit known Flash sites, “Minefield” [/Firefox] crashed to the desktop every time.

I browsed the SliTaz forum for a bit and came up with this:
http://tinyurl.com/bs5c3p

– instructions for installing Flash 9. It took me a couple of goes to work out the less-than-perfect translation, but now I’ve got Flash working in Firefox on SliTaz-cooking. Here are the steps:

Upgrade Firefox to 3.04

Upgrade glibc to 2.7

Download the Flash 9 installer, untar and run it:
http://tinyurl.com/cw8xt3

Note: I’ve warned about this before — do not do an across the board update/upgrade of SliTaz-cooking. You will lose your desktop. This happened to me twice — on the hdd installation (which required a reinstall, pretty trivial for a 28MB distro, heh), and today on the VB machine (which just needed a snapshot rollback). So — don’t do it.

But there you have it: Firefox 3 AND Flash on a 28MB distro.

Anyhoo, suffice to say SliTaz-cooking is pre-release, somewhere between an alpha and a beta I’d say. Looking forward to the next release where I hope they iron out some of these kinks.

But, where’s the fun in that? If I wanted brain-dead computing, I’d stick to win-doze ;-)

5 03 2009
ryschtaar

A brief blurb on Puppy, SliTaz and size:

I’ve played with SliTaz on a mini cd-rw (allowing me to burn and reburn new cooking releases) and on a USB drive w/ kqemu – a bit pokey, but nice for using on public computers with protected bios. I noticed that SliTaz takes a moment to unpack initramfs during boot. I was curious to see if a true usb install had the same speed bump and was surprised to find that installing SliTaz on my USB drive left a larger footprint than did Puppy. The USB drive was FAT32. Puppy 4.20-RC1 installed on the drive at 98.4 MB. SliTaz installed at 99.1 MB.

I am left to wonder if the high compression of initramfs offers any benefit other than allowing SliTaz to be burned to a business card CD (and being a fascinating academic exercise). Thoughts?

6 03 2009
Paul

Check out the new 20090228 Cooking version. Flash 10 seems to have been fixed (along with a lot of other things).

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